When I first moved to Cleveland I was a (newly) single 20-something, working hard and playing hard all the while trying to settle in and make new friends. I was blessed, as this was something I was able to accomplish fairly quickly. One of my best girlfriends decided, without letting on, that she was going to introduce me to a friend of hers from high school because she thought we'd be a good match.
Success...or so we thought.
After about 2 weeks and seeing each other, oh, maybe 4 times, we lost interest in one another. A couple weeks later, when I realized he had a CD of mine, I texted him to see if I could get that back. Thinking I was angry, he picked up the phone and called.
In discussion he gave some lame excuse for not calling, something about not wanting a girlfriend right now and blah blah blah. But he was surprised by my response, "I didn't call you, either."
::SILENCE::
He processed this...
It had been 2ish weeks and neither of us attempted to contact the other. If that doesn't scream mutual disinterest I don't know what does.
Further into the discussion we agreed that we're not right for each other on a romantic level, however, we both enjoy hanging out so why not continue on as friends?
Great idea! You can never have too many friends.
Regardless of the fact that we only get together once every other month (at the very most) we've remained friends - I've even tried to hook him up with friends of mine from time to time.
What's the point of this story, you ask? Well, I alluded to an uncomfortable situation in a previous post involving the man friend and an ex - well folks, this was him. We've been attempting to get together for a while now and this was the first weekend we were both free and in town.
So, being a
At the time, it didn't seem like a big deal - the man friend knows the whole story of me and this friend and he's been super understanding of my abundance of male friends (what can I say, I'm a lucky girl).
Of course, as all y'all out there can imagine, awkwardness ensued. Looking back, what a bad idea this was - not to mention a pretty shitty first impression involving some of the most important of friends.
Yikes.
This all ties back to the debate that I've been having with a few close friends these past couple months. Is it possible to be friends with someone of the opposite sex in your 20s?
Now, I'm not talking about those friends that go way back that you've been friends with since high school or even before - I'm not talking about the BFFs of the world - I'm referring to newly acquired opposite sex friendships in your 20s.
Can a man and a woman of the opposite sex meet in their 20s and have a strictly platonic relationship?
I think yes, but lately signs have pointed to no - given the recent influx of male friendship disappearance.
So what do you think - can us 20-somethings live peacefully with friends of the opposite sex, or is there a sexual tension there that just can't be ignored?
Do any of you have friends of the opposite sex that are just that - friends and nothing more - or are there twinges of hope that one drunken night something might happen to change all that?
Cheers!
-A
I have a lot of friends that I think of as "just" friends - I think it is possible to keep that up within that friendship. The problem is less between those two individuals but the people they try to date. If I was dating a girl and she said she was going out for drinks with some guy I would be pissed - yet I know that I can go out for drinks with a lot of my friends that are girls and not worry about bumpin uglies later.
ReplyDeleteI think it is difficult also to be newly acquainted with the opposite sex, unless of course they are batting for the same team as you. Most of my close guys friends are ones that I have had since high school or early on in college, and many are those that a short romance may have transpired but now we can look back and laugh. I haven't had much luck making new guy friends as one of us involved was mostly like sexually attracted to each other and that is why we would have talked in the first place. I think its particularly hard too if you are in the same industry as there seems to be some sort of strange competition thing there.
ReplyDeleteI think it's like the classic When Harry Met Sally dilemma, which is nicely summed up here: http://www.laddertheory.com/.
ReplyDeleteGuys and girls in their 20s can really only be true friends when there's a barrier to entry in the sex department. And inevitably, as we get older, even with our closest guy friends from college and high school, we'll either become great friends with their wives/significant others or the friendship will dissolve. I mean, think about it, how many close guy friends does your mom have? I think your 20s is the turning point where friendships with the opposite sex start to become much more difficult to maintain.
I have a lot of guy friends that are definitely just friends. Absolutely no romantic interest what so ever. I do think that once those guys get serious girlfriends our wives that it could get awkward only because women tend to get jealous of their man's women friends.
ReplyDeleteI motion Ashley replaces the phrase "man friend" with the traditional phrase "boyfriend." I don't like the way "man friend" sounds. It sounds sort of creepy. All those in favor say "aye."
ReplyDeletenarm - this is the same boat I'm in. I know what my intentions are, and typically know the intentions of my male friends, but I too would wonder about a significant other out with a female friend.
ReplyDeletejennie - you're so wise. it seems we often have the same luck with these types of situations. *sigh*
kelly - very true - if your friends are married and you're friends with the spouse, then your golden.
miss merry - there have been too many times to count where I've been shut out by the girlfriend.
jamie - many bloggers refer to him as boy toy, I do not find that much better.
Yeah, I think its totally possible to be just friends.
ReplyDeleteYou just have to be mature, thats all.
i think it is totally possible for guys and girls to be friends in their 20's. i have plenty of guy friends that i have never crossed that line with.
ReplyDeleteand i'm sorry but narm's comment is kinda BS. he can go out with his friends that are girls but he'd be pissed if his girlfriend went out with her friends that are boys?
I'm with Alexa. Narm - you can't have it both ways, that's what girls do best.
ReplyDeleteI have a lot of guy friends and I don't really want to have sex with any of them. It can be done.
It get complicated I think. I have always been one of the guys. Always had men to turn to when I needed something to get done.
ReplyDeleteHowever, once I got engaged I have watched these great friendships dissolve into nothingness. Some because they hoped that one day I'd turn to them to warm my bed others because they felt uncomfortable being good friends with another man's wife.
It's really weird. I always thoguth that me and my guys would be BFFs but alas! Its just didn't turn out that way...
While you are single it works great but get close to being a Mrs and it seems to be hands off.
Ugh.
I'm married so my comment may not count... but either way, I've found that things are a little weird with guys for me now. It's like we're friends but as soon as they start flirting at all, I backoff completely. It's kind of made it so I have my husband and girl friends. Oh well.
ReplyDeletematt - agreed. I'm not sure what I'd do without my closest male friends.
ReplyDeletealexa - me too, though I've also had a handful that thought it okay to try and jump that line.
allison - that's exactly my stance.
random - I can only imaging how many friends would fall off the map if I got engaged...
joe - impressive comment. makes complete sense, but I still think it comes down to the individual - going to be different for everyone.
playful - glad to hear it from someone who is married...but it does scare me a little.